Re: Adding SCTP support

Interested.

Ideally one would like to get rid of the in-stream transport features of
HTTP, moving message delimitation fully to the transport (both positive
and negative delimitation). Hopefully without introducing too much
additional overhead ontop op SCTP.

Regards
Henrik

On ons, 2008-06-04 at 09:54 +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> If people want to work on discussing and standardising SCTP support then
> I can quickly create a discussion group somewhere and invite Randall et al
> into it.
>
> I think its a worthwhile goal to sort out but I haven't had any luck
> doing it on public mailing lists.
>
> Send me a private email if you'd like to actively participate and I'll
> see about facilitating some discussion.
>
>
> Adrian
>
> On Mon, Jun 02, 2008, Pranav Desai wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot_at_yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
> > > The use case that I (and many others, I think) am interested in is where
> > > you're doing
> > >
> > > client <---TCP---> proxy <----SCTP---> proxy <---TCP---> origin server
> > >
> >
> > Hmm, thats interesting. I didn't think of it this way. I was looking
> > more towards the wireless networks (phones, PDAs, etc.). A custom
> > browser and SCTP may not be very acceptable or feasible at first on
> > these devices, because of lack of SCTP support in mobile platforms,
> > but with more and more mobile platforms moving towards linux, I think
> > an SCTP enabled webkit based browser might be feasible. Anyway, I was
> > thinking of a use case like this.
> >
> > client <--------- SCTP -----------> proxy <------------ TCP ------------> OS
> > lossy/slow n/w fast backends
> >
> > Although, the use case you presented seems more feasible at this time.
> >
> > > Assuming that the TCP hops are short, and the SCTP is a long haul (e.g.,
> > > from Australia to the US).
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/06/2008, at 4:35 PM, Pranav Desai wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot_at_yahoo-inc.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> I'm very interested in this, and would be willing to help with the spec
> > >> work side of things. It's also been discussed on the HTTP mailing list
> > >> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/>.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks you all for your responses. So as I expected its not as trivial as
> > >> changing the protocol type in squid.
> > >>
> > >> From the paper mentioned in this thread by Matt, it looks like we need to
> > >> have a mechanism to be able to handle multiple streams in parallel, without
> > >> which the advantage of using SCTP wouldn't be that much. I believe that
> > >> would be difficult in squid, due to the single process nature? What would be
> > >> the right way to go about achieving this ?
> > >>
> > >> But, in general, it seems like a proxy would be a perfect place to use
> > >> something like SCTP, especially where the origin server may not have SCTP
> > >> support. It also seems like the client (browser) would be critical in how
> > >> efficiently they can use the key features of SCTP, multi-streaming. So a
> > >> combination of a custom browser (modified firefox) and squid could have some
> > >> good advantage over TCP.
> > >>
> > >> -- Pranav
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 01/06/2008, at 12:50 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I've spoken to some SCTP related people about this before.
> > >> The trouble is:
> > >>
> > >> * NOone's fleshed out how HTTP over SCTP should look;
> > >> * Noone's fleshed out how servers should choose HTTP over TCP vs SCTP.
> > >>
> > >> They're the much more pressing questions.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Adrian
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, May 31, 2008, Pranav Desai wrote:
> > >> Hello All,
> > >>
> > >> What would you suggest should be the way to include SCTP support in Squid
> > >> 3.0 ?
> > >>
> > >> My assumption here is that SCTP would be useful for clients (which
> > >> support SCTP) connecting using slow/lossy wireless type networks. My
> > >> goal is to experiment and compare the performance against TCP for
> > >> wireless networks.
> > >>
> > >> So, I started with that and was easily able to add a config option for
> > >> client-side and change the corresponding function
> > >> clientHttpConnectionsOpen() to set appropriate protocol type and it
> > >> worked just fine. But that would make it an SCTP only proxy.
> > >>
> > >> We could also open up another listening port for SCTP, so that we can
> > >> have both SCTP and TCP simultaneously, where the origin server side
> > >> will always be TCP.
> > >>
> > >> But I feel that I am missing something here. So, I would really
> > >> appreciate any suggestions or comments you may have.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your time.
> > >>
> > >> -- Pranav
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >> --
> > >> Mark Nottingham mnot_at_yahoo-inc.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Nottingham mnot_at_yahoo-inc.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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